No the onus is on you when you dispute someones statement to actually discuss it in a reasoned manner.

Strangely why forums are also called discussion boards. You disputed my statement that I signed up under a different set of rules, you figure it out. Hell you might actually learn something.

You don't actually have a life because you spend it all on these forums being schooled. If you're -10 anyone can and will shoot you, no concord. That means gankers aren't hiding behind concord. Sounds pretty simple huh?

I think the point here is that you make sweeping statements about EvE mechanics, but you don't actually know very much about EvE mechanics to base your opinions on. That's why everyone's baiting you.

Risk
noun
1. a situation involving exposure to danger.

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Danger
noun
the possibility of something unwelcome or unpleasant happening.

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Now pretending you are risking something by undocking a suicide catalyst is stupid. A suicide catalyst is supposed to die, you are not risking it, you are expending it as ammunition. It therefore cannot possibly be in danger since its not something unwelcome or unpleasant, its something you are doing deliberately and something you are expecting.

Since many if not all suicide gankers kill empty freighters as well as freighters with loot there is also no risk in "loot not dropping" since for loot to drop there needs to be loot in the ship. Now since you kill ships without loot that cannot be a "risk factor" at all.

Looking at recent kills of freighters its quite obvious that the killing of freighters is so easy it can be done with a single person using ISBOXER and 6 or 7 stealth bombers and certainly doesn't require the claimed 100 person catalyst fleet. Since ISBOXER broadcasting is illegal in EVE it must be assumed that one code dweeb does it using multiple clients or computers and manual input (sure he does right?) and is doing for under 250 million per gank.

The often vomited, use a webber, fast aligning, scouting bullcrap is of course worthless since almost all ganks are conducted with a 100,000 isk scrambler which makes fast aligning and webbing pointless.

You help make his point. You don't want change and/or improvement because it's perfect for people like you.

You are not the majority (except for GD trolls). .001% of the player base makes 99% of the troll posts.

I propose that CCP start charging people to post in the forums. Like text messaging, give a 500 "text" base and then charge (per post) anyone that goes over...

You are not the majority...

If they had to use cruisers fitted out for damage with a limited time frame on bumping they would have to be out in the open more...

No he's called you out on what you said about it having them out more.
Which mechanically speaking doesn't actually make any sense , can you elaborate a little?

Friends? You have friends?

Nothing to do with AG, just common sense. A -10 sitting in HS all day tethered to a citadel is just stupid mechanics.

I would like to see more teaching about the weaknesses of highsec. It is advertised as very safe it really is not.

Here you go. From the Horses Mouth
Original Thread

From the guy who was in charge of creating and growing EvE from the 1000 players it had when I started EVE Online to the 10's of thousands it had later. This is the way it was while it was gaining massive numbers of new players, why people joined up, and stayed, this is the way it was designed to be from the very beginning and this is the way it needs to go back to so that the numbers will start going up again.

CCP skewed the results to fit their agenda. You can't convince me that they took the time to go through 160,000 kill mails one by one. They're always talking about how limited and valuable their time is.

You guys can think whatever you want.

I know that I'm right.

Fact: Eve is failing.
Fact: Management is at fault.
Fact: Free is the bottom of the barrel.

But hey, as long as your little group is happy nothing else matters.

I started 2003.05.10 in 0.0.

Eve has gone from great to good to not so good.

They should definitely be taking advice from people that are too lazy to work for isk.

The very fact that you consider a sample of 80,000 people to determine whether people actually stay longer or leave due to ganking a basic statistic, means you know nothing about statistics and should not really comment on it.

One of those rare forum killmails who got the final blow?

Which begs the question, why do you scream in favour of carebears so much if you don't even consider them to be real EvE players?

I think you're all about to become extinct.

I have been watching this gang for a few days now and their modus operandi is quite clear, they go all over the boards, trying to give people ulcers, drag the topic off track any way they can in order to try to get the thread shut down especially targetting people they don't like - and threads with anyone who threatens their way of life and their value system, namely their bullying, misogyny, name calling, belittling and dragging out of game stuff in game.

They deflect their trolling onto everyone else and they have learned to do it very well. Here they are "innocently" dropping the main name of a person posting as an alt on the boards, putting them on the defensive to further derail the thread they desperately want shut down as it threatens their way of life and their value system: protected psychopathy.


It does not escape me that these sort of threads have been taken down because these trolls are abusing the report system themselves. I have learned firsthand that these people fight dirty and use every tool unfairly because they are psychopaths. If they think they can get away with it they will.

And they have been getting away with it because there is a rot in the moderator system at CCP or, as some ISD have claimed people do not report enough.

Then again that is their intent - they cannot control this thread it is out of their control so they MUST derail it, they MUST get an excuse to have their pet moderators shut it down.

This is dark triad behavior and it deserves to be exposed for what it is

"some people" being the targeted victims of your sadism correct? The ones that provide the tears you yearn for? Does it bother you that some of the targets of your sadism are children as young as 13 or is that an added perk in your view?

I think that the wardeck system has to be revamped. As of now it doesn't work as a declaration of war towards an enemy but a griefing tactic.

I know that griefing is allowed but i believe when devs created the wardec system their intention wasn't giving free kills to corps against others for self amusement.

In hardcore pvp oriented games like Darkfall, going into war against another clan or against another colation means a huge amount of strategy and preparation which means tons of fun for both sides.

In EVE only the attacker has fun and hes having fun by exploiting a game concept that wasn't intended to work like that.


The result is that loads of new players quit the game as soon as they realize that if they like PVE mostly they will have a crippled experience. Unlike Darkfall, EVE punishes players for not having a strict PVP mindset. Mind you that Darkfall is a PVP oriented sandbox as well with full loot drop on each death.


If CCP is trying to get its playerbase renewed to live more 10 years then the only way to make so is to attract those they didn't like in the past, the carebears. And gimp alpha accounts won't make a difference when new players realize that they can't be PVErs in the game and socialize in a corporation. They will choose between playing solo or quitting.

You know there is a more efficient way to "flush out carebears", just make everything null-sec and be done with it. On the other hand they went through a lot of effort to to those 1.0, 0.9 , 0.4, 0.1, -1 ... thingies in each system if they had different intentions.

This thread is going in circles like all the similar ones.

Before the insurance nerf, there was much less cost to gank. Even if gankers used battleships, they were mostly covered by insurance, and at some points insurance even paid more than the cost of the hull meaning you made a profit if you failed a suicide gank against the side of a station.

Ganking has never cost more than it currently does, nor has it ever been rarer. You can make the case that the general increase in player wealth over the years means those costs to gank something mean less as everyone is richer, but that also applies to the miner or hauler whose losses are equally less meaningful.

I'd love though an improved bounty hunting system and more game play that allows player law enforcement to interfere with criminals though. Those are actually good thoughts on improving the game as this thread is suppose to be about.

Tears... "sociopaths"... more tears...

...maybe they should change the name to SIS - Sociopaths in Space - at least we'd all be clear on their intent.

The fact that it[this thread] exists is evidence that they're not succeeding in actually forcing people to change or else no-one would be complaining.